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Old Posted: 25-03-2009 , 07:30 AM #76
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I'd been telling people about this for years. It was very worrying, however as I recall it is no longer a viable project as this link dated 1999 seems to indicate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/465222.stm
There was such uproar about the whole project which was successfulyy taken up by mainstream media that I don't think Monsanto really had any choice. Power to the People!!!
I'm a bit out of the eco warrior loop unfortunately, and let me know if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about terminator genes and Monsanto recently.
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Old Posted: 26-03-2009 , 02:49 AM #77
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look up terminator technology on irish seed savers about how seed companies like monsanto etc are trying to stop these plants from producing any seed at all...

Trying to keep the tills ringing I'll bet.
So strange when the Terminator said "I'll be back", pity the same doesn't go for the seeds. :)
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Old Posted: 26-03-2009 , 11:52 PM #78
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I'd been telling people about this for years. It was very worrying, however as I recall it is no longer a viable project as this link dated 1999 seems to indicate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/465222.stm
There was such uproar about the whole project which was successfulyy taken up by mainstream media that I don't think Monsanto really had any choice. Power to the People!!!
I'm a bit out of the eco warrior loop unfortunately, and let me know if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about terminator genes and Monsanto recently.
Lisa

Im not sure i hadn't heard about it until i seen it the other day on the irish seedsavers website, hopefully your right, theres always power in numbers eh :) nothing loopy about it someones gotta stick up for our beautiful planet, im right there with ya sister!!!
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Old Posted: 01-04-2009 , 12:54 PM #79
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Yep, on reading the wikipedia article it seems to be more about cross pollination and new or variant species. It does go on to highlight the lack of pollination and seed production etc. It seems to me that f1 / f2 on seed packets is a good indicator that the variety is not one naturally found and is a hybrid of two parent plants. I can understand why if you wanted to propogate from seed yourself or wanted only natural/native species you would avoid these type of seed, but yes definately different from what my understanding of gm is. Still, good to know about it in the first place. Thanks

saving seeds from F1's, some f1's are non seed making, some are non pollen making and they are all a commercialised cross breed. They do not breed true to like, so a parent plant say a tomatoe called shirley may have parent tomatoes called Alfred, Mary, Paul and Joe. If shirley seeds are saved they could be non viable ie not able to be fertalised and produce a plant, or they could be any mixture of the above leading to non reproducing plants, or non pollen plants, or any of the above parents.

F1 are owned by people who basically own the patent, lots are owned by monsanto, who want us not to be able to save our own seed, we will have to purchase seed, which lines their pockets.

Non F1 means you can get natural mixtures if you have two sorts of brassicas, squashes, tomatoes etc they are quite permiscuous whoand how many that they have sex with :) all sorts can come from them, some good, some bad. I save seeds where I can. some F1 I do sow but I dont encourage any breeding with them.
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Old Posted: 01-04-2009 , 12:59 PM #80
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your broad beans, spinach, chard, lettuce, parsley and anthing else that can stand a touch of frost should be planted out this week. I also have borage, forgetmenot, globe artichokes and strawberries waiting to go out.

Leeks when well up can be left outside of the greenhouse to harden up.

The pole and dwarf beens along with squashes, melons, cucumbers, tomatoes etc should be kept in the greenhouse still. You can still sow all these and leeks in the seed bed.

I have sown my peas in situe and have my seedbed brassicas, onions, coming up along with salad leaves, onion sets, garlic and shallots showing their heads.

spuds will be out this week

i will also watch the bees go around the current and berry flowers waiting for the apple, pear and cherry to blossom.
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